Homeless in Arizona

According to the poll 72% of the Democrats are gun grabbers, while out of the entire population only 42% are gun grabbers.

Most Democrats believe the "global warming" line too

Personally I think "global warming" is mostly about scientists and businessmen who want to get government money to fix the "alleged" global warming problem so they can make themselves wealthy with all the government money.

According to the poll 84% of Democrats believe in "global warming" while only 33% of Republicans believe in "global warming".

I am a Libertarian and they didn't give the views of Libertarians in the poll.

My view is "global warming" might exist, but I am skepical. And even if "global warming" does exist, I support it 100% because I love hot weather.

When I go to HSGP meetings, they seem to hate Republicans because they are always bad mouthing them. Same for when I go to AU (Americans United for Separation of Church and State) and FFRF (Freedom From Religion Foundation) meetings. They are always bad mouthing Republicans.

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Arizona voters evenly split on marijuana legalization, sharply divided on climate change

Dec 1, 2015, 10:53am MST

Mike Sunnucks Senior Reporter Phoenix Business Journal

A new poll shows Arizona voters split almost evenly when it comes to marijuana legalization but are divided when it comes climate change.

There could be a 2016 ballot measure legalizing marijuana for recreational use.

A new Arizona State University Morrison-Cronkite Poll shows 49 percent of state voters support marijuana legalization while 51 percent oppose.

The statewide poll of more than 900 voters found younger voters and Democrats tend to support legalization while Republicans and older voters oppose it. Sixty-four percent of Democrats back cannabis legalization while only 29 percent of Republicans do, according to the poll.

“Predictably, those 30 and younger (69 percent) and those age 31 to 55 (57 percent) are more likely to favor legalization than those 56 and older (36 percent),” said David Daugherty, associate director at Morrison Institute which conducted the poll. “It is important to note, Republicans and older adults vote in larger numbers than either Democrats or young adults, which would, at least at this point in time, point toward likely defeat of the legalization of recreational marijuana.”

Arizona voters narrowly approved a medical marijuana ballot measure in 2010. Colorado, Washington and some other states have approved legalization measures.

The poll also shows ideological divides between Arizona’s Republican and Democratic voters on a range of social and other issues including climate change, gun control and same-sex marriage.

The ASU poll shows only 33 percent of Republicans believe climate change is primarily caused by human and commercial activity. That compares to 84 percent of Democrats.

Here’s a few of poll questions.

Climate change is caused, primarily, by human activity

All registered voters 60%

Democrats 84%

Liberal Independents 89%

Moderate Independents 66%

Conservative Independents 46%

Republicans 33%

All registered voters 42%

Democrats 72%

Liberal independents 73%

Moderate independents 40%

Conservative independents 31%

Republicans 16%

When I posted this article on Facebook I sure got a lot of hateful and mean responses from atheist in atheist groups I posted it in.

It sure sounds like atheists that are Democrats are real *ssholes.

Although I shouldn't make generalizations like that. There are lots of atheist Democrats who are not jerks.

Here are some of those responses. https://www.facebook.com/groups/atheistnexus/permalink/10153938099333072/ Lisa Panger Did they poll scientists? 98% of the scientific community backs global warming because THEY UNDERSTAND IT. The fact that you "like hot weather" and think that's all it's about, shows you don't know jack about it. Climate change is a planet wide change that will affect crops, food supplies. Entire areas could potentially get wiped out as massive weather changes wipe out food supplies. Nobody benefits from this. Like · Reply · 21 · December 1 at 7:04pm · Edited Greg Shelley Not believing in something because it is against your political ideology makes you a denialist, not a skeptic. Like · Reply · 20 · December 1 at 6:53pm Mitchell Gore Define "gun-grabbers"...? Mandatory background checks on ALL gun purchases and transfers = "gun grabber"...? Like · Reply · 6 · December 1 at 7:03pm Jeremy Carvalho Yeah, that's not possible. Like · Reply · December 2 at 9:15am Mitchell Gore Jeremy Carvalho - Sure it is. That was actually the NRAs position as well right up until Barack Obama was elected. Like · Reply · December 2 at 6:51pm Jeremy Carvalho How do you propose this is enforced? Like · Reply · December 2 at 6:53pm Dean Mcguire I'm not a gun grabber. I'm a carry and conceal liberal. I'm just not a pussy liberal. Denying 96% of scientist is just moronic. Thinking 96% of scientist are in cahoots is the dumbest thing I've heard. Rand Paul is a so called libertarian running with republicans. So when you say libertarian you might as well say republican. Like · Reply · 6 · December 1 at 7:30pm Michael Anderson No Rand Paul is not a Libertarian. Gary Johnson is a Libertarian. The Republican party has tried very hard to promote commonality between Libertarians and Republicans. As a Libertarian I am more likely to agree with a Democrat but Libertarian is neither. Like · Reply · December 2 at 9:09am Dean Mcguire Rand Paul is a libertarian. You may not agree with him. But he claims libertarian. You know this, not claiming him doesn't not make him a libertarian. Like · Reply · December 2 at 4:30pm Dean Mcguire Its a two party system right now. So until you have a real party, there's nothing to talk about. Like · Reply · December 2 at 4:33pm Trevor Warren Obvious troll is obvious Like · Reply · 4 · December 1 at 8:12pm Stan Giesea The most important phrase in the 2nd Amendment is "well-regulated." Have you read the whole thing? It's only two lines. Like · Reply · 2 · December 1 at 8:25pm Sean Greene "And even if 'global warming' does exist, I support it 100% because I love hot weather." And flooding, snow storms, drought, tornadoes, hurricanes... etc... Also, have you ever been somewhere when it's like 110-120 degrees? You ever tripped on your own scrotum? Like · Reply · 1 · December 1 at 8:37pm Alan Majeski Liberal atheists treat you that way because you are a douche. Like · Reply · 11 · December 1 at 8:40pm Stan Giesea This is why the phrase "global warming" is a bit of a misnomer, and that "climate change" is more accurate. However, global warming would not necessarily in every case result in hotter weather. The melting of the polar ice caps would definitely bring colder and more intemperate weather conditions to many regions. Like · Reply · 3 · December 1 at 8:44pm Susan Stern Skeptical on scientific facts is idiotic! You can't have an opinion on scientific data. Like · Reply · 5 · December 1 at 8:47pm Hos Loftus You cannot pick and choose what science you agree with. Reality doesn't care if you deny it or not. Just as evolution is still true no matter what creationists say. Like · Reply · 10 · December 1 at 9:01pm Quod Vir Quod Vir's photo. Like · Reply · December 1 at 9:18pm Mi Chelle Nessk Lol you spam posted this in various atheist groups. Like · Reply · December 2 at 12:16am Mi Chelle Nessk "My view is "global warming" might exist, but I am skepical. And even if "global warming" does exist, I support it 100% because I love hot weather." - This was hilarious. What a great troll post. Consider this your warning however, troll posts are not welcome. This one can stay, because again... HILARIOUS. {Admin Post} Like · Reply · 4 · December 2 at 12:24am · Edited Angus Matheson It's because you're a moron. Just FYI. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 12:32am Dave Sweeney Stanford Don't feed it Dave Sweeney Stanford's photo. Like · Reply · 3 · December 2 at 12:46am Zachary James "even if "global warming" does exist, I support it 100% because I love hot weather." Zachary James's photo. Like · Reply · 2 · December 2 at 2:37am 1 Reply Lisa Panger Lisa Panger And I thought people were just that stupid. Well, some actually are. Like · Reply · December 2 at 2:39am KL Green I don't treat people like shit for "skepticism" on global warming. I tell them they're full of crap for repeating science illiterate gibber about it as if they had done any earnest homework on the subject. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 5:06am Dave Peters So early in the morning for me and... Like · Reply · 5 · December 2 at 6:00am Alex Rompen They treat you like, and I quote "shit", because you are an idiot Like · Reply · 2 · December 2 at 6:15am Justin Jones Justin Jones's photo. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 8:03am Josh Peto Josh Peto You had me at "No". Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 8:11am Joshua D. Craig Joshua D. Craig I'm having a hard time deciding if this person is deluded, or mentally challenged. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 8:45am Tony Jaber Tony Jaber You are the problem Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 9:12am Richard Downey Richard Downey Maybe it's you, chief. You're kind of a dick. Like · Reply · December 2 at 10:11am Jeremy Johnson Jeremy Johnson I think you meant to post this on: Conspiracy Theorists Say The Darndest Things... Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 2:57pm Jeremy Johnson Jeremy Johnson Since you're into polls, you might want to see which party is the most scientifically literate, better educated, and religious. You might find a trend, and the source to the problems that you are having... Like · Reply · December 2 at 3:01pm · Edited Chuck Collazzi Chuck Collazzi Maybe they treat you like shit because they just don't like you? Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 4:35pm Patrick Duffy Patrick Duffy Patrick Duffy's photo. Like · Reply · December 2 at 7:12pm Jeremy Johnson Jeremy Johnson Chuck - To be fair, I don't think it's personal. I think people treat him like "shit", because his ideas are really silly. Like · Reply · 2 · December 2 at 9:10pm Michael Fairlamb GUN CONTROL NEXUS https://www.facebook.com/groups/Atheismfacts/permalink/723626544404033/ Denise Love "gun grabbers"? you need to dial back the rhetoric and insulting language we don't do that kind of baiting and insults here there are a million solid reaons supported by scientific evidence as to why many of us are fed up with guns and ammosexual behaviour debate is encouraged your dismissive attitude towards our membership and well, towards statistical science is not watch your tone please ~admin Like · Reply · 3 · December 2 at 6:51am · Edited Lori Avanthay You're skeptical about climate change being effected by human behavior? LOL LOL LOL LOL! Do you even science? Google is your friend.... Like · Reply · 2 · December 2 at 6:53am · Edited Lori Avanthay Lori Avanthay Lori Avanthay's photo. Like · Reply · 3 · December 2 at 6:54am Lori Avanthay Lori Avanthay Also, I'm curious, which "well-regulated militia" are you a member of? Like · Reply · December 2 at 6:55am Denise Love Denise Love Denise Love's photo. Like · Reply · 2 · December 2 at 7:07am Lori Avanthay Lori Avanthay Lori Avanthay's photo. Like · Reply · December 2 at 7:24am Mickey Jones Write a reply... Sarah Estep Sarah Estep I really, really think that the intention of this post was to start shit. Bruh, if you call yourself an atheist and then choose to be blind to or ignore the science that we laud so much, your issue is cognitive dissonance. Like · Reply · 3 · December 2 at 7:01am Denise Love Denise Love if you are also a skeptical rationalist, you aren't allowed to simply dismiss this sort of data simple really it's called cognitive dissonance...See More Denise Love's photo. Like · Reply · 3 · December 2 at 7:07am · Edited 3 Replies Lori Avanthay Lori Avanthay Lori Avanthay's photo. Like · Reply · 4 · December 2 at 7:52am Odd Jørgensen Odd Jørgensen Causation/correlation...maybe they know you, and that is why they treat you like shit? Ever considered that? Like · Reply · 2 · December 2 at 11:43am Szebasztián Sejer Szebasztián Sejer You won't find support for outright denial of science here. You might as well deny gravity. The evidence for human caused climate change is about that convincing. This statement is utterly ridiculous. It shows your complete ignorance on the subject: "And even if "global warming" does exist, I support it 100% because I love hot weather. ". You clearly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, what global warming means and how complex its effects are (hint: it's not just the weather getting warmer). It's always entertaining to read when people make fun of themselves in such silly ways, but unfortunately here we have these nasty rules that you have to back your claims up with proper evidence. We don't support the propagation of bullshit here. #Admin Like · Reply · 2 · December 3 at 1:41pm Fiona B Corliss Fiona B Corliss OH my, you need to reexamine your delivery style. With all the snide stereotypes and pandering copy/paste percentages littering your post i couldn't find one reason to take you seriously. That's your number one problem. Like · Reply · 2 · December 3 at 2:05pm Denise Love Denise Love you sound like a Thepublican Denise Love's photo. Like · Reply · 3 · December 3 at 2:07pm · Edited Sarah Estep Sarah Estep So much asshattery in this thread. Like · Reply · 1 · December 3 at 2:30pm Rajin Chadda Rajin Chadda Troll alert. Wrong group for that kind of deluded ignorance. Like · Reply · 2 · December 3 at 2:41pm Dawn Littlefield Dawn Littlefield get back in that closet..you....believer. . Lol.. Like · Reply · 1 · December 3 at 3:12pm Dawn Littlefield Dawn Littlefield Guns don't kill people...religious zealots with guns do. Like · Reply · 2 · December 3 at 3:13pm Belky Hernandez Belky Hernandez The rhetoric around gun control is often reactionary. For example, the latest sentiments around the Republican votes not denying access if someone is on a watch list. Calm discourse is especially in order. Like · Reply · December 3 at 7:18pm Mikey Mikey Mikey Mikey I see it's another post and run. Sounds very much like a theist troll post to me. Notice how he says "atheist" in such a disparaging way at the start? Nice replies everybody. Lori, I particularly liked your fail meme. I've added that one to my stock of sarky memes. smile emoticon https://www.facebook.com/groups/134841089918218/permalink/903942633008056/ Mitchell Gore Define "gun-grabbers"...? Mandatory background checks on ALL gun purchases and transfers = "gun grabber"...? Like · Reply · 4 · December 1 at 7:03pm Dustin Heddings Dustin Heddings Troll post alert you blew your cover when you said the reason you support global warming is because you like hot weather? Weak attempt at trolling. So your whole post is rejected by that one part. I can't take you seriously even if you're serious. Like · Reply · 3 · December 1 at 7:11pm Robin Bass Robin Bass and he posted it on all the atheist pages Like · Reply · December 1 at 8:01pm Ryan McLaughlin Ryan McLaughlin I'm sorry buddy... you're not a Libertarian... you're a republican who likes to smoke weed. Oh wait...no,no... that is, in fact, the definition of a Libertarian. Like · Reply · December 1 at 8:13pm Mickey Jones Mickey Jones No Libertarians want to legalize all drugs, and all guns. And Libertarians think that if you believe in global warming you should spend YOUR money to stop it. Like · Reply · December 2 at 9:05am Camshie Celtic Art Camshie Celtic Art See, this is why I'm glad I live in Scotland. Like · Reply · December 2 at 10:17am Vin Rohm Vin Rohm What an idiot. Look sonny, I don't believe we have a right to bear arms. If you want to understand why, simply explain the first part of that right which reads...."A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,..." Here, I'll do it for you. This part has every much to do with this as the second part. But gun nuts these days pay no attention to that first part. The Right to bear arms belongs ONLY to members of a "well regulated militia". That's what it means. And no....your right-wing militia these days is NOT "well regulated". To be "well regulated" they would have to fall under the command and control of the Government, and right wing militias do not. In fact, nearly all of them exist to defy the government not obey it. All of this is covered in the Federalist papers, identifying the founders' real intentions here. As to climate change (AKA Global Warming), 97% of the scientific community agree with the findings. Those that do not happen to be on the payroll of some of the worst carbon polluters in this country. The evidence bears it out that our burning of fossil fuels has accelerated the warming trend (See chart below). In fact, the carbon level has never been this high, so we have no clue as to the damage we have done already. But we do know that it's melting the glaciers on Greenland and Antarctica, and there's enough water there to raise sea levels by as much as 60 meters or more. Did you know that more than 80% of the world population lives withing ten meters of sea level? That's nearly 6 billion people displaced by sea level rise. Never mind that a warmer ocean has more volume than a cold ocean, which would only exacerbate the problem. And haven't you noticed that storm intensities are getting worse W had a hurricane this year in the pacific with sustained winds of 210 mph....if we scaled hurricanes beyond the current 1 thru 5 categories as they should be, that one was a category 7. Never mind that parts of the US are having droughts never seen before, and storms of such intensity that the equivalent of their entire annual rainfall has occurred over a single night. The evidence is right there in front of us, if you can be honest with yourself. Vin Rohm's photo. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 11:42am Vin Rohm Vin Rohm I don't admonish the religious because of religion. I do it because they're id https://www.facebook.com/groups/atheismunited/permalink/928304330582167/ Art Frasco likes this. Comments Brad Reddekopp Brad Reddekopp A global warming denier, eh? So much for rationality. You might as well be a creationist, too. Like · Reply · 4 · December 1 at 6:41pm Robert J. Keefer Robert J. Keefer "Personally I think "global warming" is mostly about scientists and businessmen who want to get government money to fix the "alleged" global warming problem so they can make themselves wealthy with all the government money." But the gun lobby and NRA promoting the idea that the government wants to abolish the second amendment and take your guns away, just to give gun manufacturers business when people knee-jerk run out and buy them, that can't be true. There's no evidence that gun sales spike whenever someone goes on a shooting spree (Hint: sarcasm, they totally do and there totally is). No one wants to take your guns away. They just want to keep the number of assault rifles on the market to a minimum and implement a more scrutinizing application process for getting them. Climate change is real. The science shows it. The overwhelming majority of scientists agree. The evidence is undeniable. Like · Reply · 1 · December 1 at 6:47pm Sirius G Mosh Sirius G Mosh Well, fortunately scientific and academic consensus does not rely on polls. Granted one may call oneself skeptic after thoroughly going through the arguments, evidence, data, and conclusion regarding what one may be skeptical of. Else, it may be just plain old fashioned laziness, and or ignorance. On the gun thing... Cuique sum. Like · Reply · 2 · December 1 at 6:48pm Luke Hardkore Miney Luke Hardkore Miney If you love hot weather then move to where the climate is always hot that's the dumbest reason to support global warming because areas that are already hot will become uninhabitable ecosystems are destroyed and wildlife dies off while disease spreading...See More Like · Reply · 2 · December 1 at 7:31pm Cindy Harvey McIntire Cindy Harvey McIntire His comment was just one more example of why climate change deniers just aren't thinking clearly... If the temperature rises just enough to warm Alaska's permafrost into a melting mess - the carbon dioxide gas that will be released from rotting vegetation (which had been frozen for thousands of years) will release huge amounts methane gas and other decomposition effluence which will have a drastic effect on our atmosphere. Keep in mind, that Alaska is not the only area with permafrost. Once it starts, it will create more greenhouse gases trapping in what heat had been escaping. The cycle is just beginning, and we may not be able to slow it down or reverse it once it gets going. /c: Like · Reply · December 1 at 10:17pm Luke Hardkore Miney Luke Hardkore Miney I honestly believe it is too late to stop at this point all we can really do is slow the rate and hope that nature can run its course and reset itself as it has in the past the climate is always changing always has and always will but we need to stop pushing it along or it could end up being us who are killed off. I have a friend with an interesting theory which I'll keep short but he thinks that humans were once more advanced then we are now but all the records and advancements were lost during the ice age which he thinks was the earth resetting it's course due to human destruction which ironically we call development and progression today. Like · Reply · December 1 at 10:38pm Alonzo Fyfe Alonzo Fyfe There are two potentially large sources of methane release if the temperature rises enough. One of them, already mentioned, is methane in the permafrost. The other is frozen methane in the deep ocean. Like · Reply · December 2 at 8:19am Mickey Jones Write a reply... Bobby Hank Bobby Hank It is already too late to prevent climate change but we can still work to mitigate its effects on Mother Earth. Like · Reply · December 1 at 8:53pm Melissa Sallee Melissa Sallee Oh Mickey....don't breed. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 2:20am Thomas True Thomas True Science doesn't need a poll to be a fact. It matters not what you believe. What matters are facts. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 6:57am Thomas True Thomas True Plus, what the hell is a "gun grabber?" Like · Reply · December 2 at 6:57am Frank Phlatulator Hribar Frank Phlatulator Hribar I like the way this guy is trying to generalize republicans and democrats. The guy is full of beliefs based on little if any evidence. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 7:25am Alonzo Fyfe Alonzo Fyfe Mickey Jones - You put a lot of weight in polls. But polls only tell you what people believe, they are not evidence of what is true. If we look at the beliefs of those who understand the evidence for and against climate change, we see substantial agreement that it is real and that it would impose serious costs on humanity. This suggests that if global warming deniers were to actually study and come to understand the evidence, that a substantial percentage of them would change their mind. As for gun ownership, the question here is to how to keep people safe - to save lives and prevent unnecessary killing. The argument here is that a certain percentage of the population is prone to lose their temper and make snap judgments. If there is a gun nearby, people die. If there is no gun nearby, they yell and shout at each other but nobody gets killed. This is an empirical question - one to be answered by looking at actual evidence governing the chance that you or somebody you care about will end up killed or wounded depending on how easy it is for others to get a hold of a gun. This actually has nothing to do with being a democrat or a republican. I shun both parties, for different reasons. I find democrats to be just as eager to ignore science and reason when it yields results that do not conform to their political ideology as republicans. It is just that, different ideologies mean different issues. For democrats, it is "exporting jobs" and "genetically modified foods" and "nuclear power" and "minimum wage increases" where they like to ignore the evidence. What matters is not "democrat" or "republican". What matters is what the evidence says on each specific issue. Ignore the tribal memberships, and focus on the issues. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 8:39am · Edited Landrie Granteer Landrie Granteer Mikey is a new college graduate. He knows everything. Like · Reply · December 2 at 9:26am Richard Ingels Richard Ingels Does he click his fingers instead of clap? Like · Reply · December 2 at 1:02pm Mickey Jones Write a reply... Hunter Carrington Hunter Carrington What about dinosaurs? Who believes they existed? Lets take a poll......wait....the poll doesn't matter because its asking about a FACT. So the opinion of those who don't "believe" dinosaurs existed really doesnt matter. Just like global warming. Like · Reply · December 2 at 1:45pm https://www.facebook.com/groups/AtheistUnion.Private/permalink/519444711548539/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/AtheistFriendCenter/permalink/551399041680806/ ikeComment Comments Christian Peterson Christian Peterson So only 33% of republicans aren't dumb asses? Like · Reply · 5 · December 1 at 6:43pm David Andruczyk David Andruczyk i let the evidence speak for itself.. Like · Reply · 1 · December 1 at 7:05pm Damian Clemons Damian Clemons It's not skepticism, it's denialism. If you believe that it is a hoax so that people can make money off it, you really haven't thought it through very well. If you support it 100% because you like hot weather, then you haven't got a clue. You are not even thinking, only rationalizing. Even if you didn't think it was anthropogenic, the consequences are a great deal worse than "hot weather". People are treating you like shit for no other reason than you are saying pretty stupid shit. When political ideology (no matter what side of the fence you are on) informs your scientific opinions then you scientific opinions have no value. Like · Reply · 12 · December 1 at 7:14pm Seann Saindon Seann Saindon i dont identify as a democrat or a republican . i am a veteran and i support the second amendment.. because the criminals in this country are armed i prefer to be armed as well. im not against expanded background checks... Like · Reply · 1 · December 1 at 7:18pm Ron Tyler Ron Tyler Not sure what you mean by gun grabber. I also support second amendment rights. If you own a gun, tell me about your "well-regulated militia". How is it being regulated? Like · Reply · 3 · December 1 at 7:39pm · Edited Sherman Felix Sherman Felix even if global warming wasn't real, how is companies profiting from environmentally friendly practices a bad thing? shouldn't we support people and companies who make the effort to protect the one planet we have? "global warming is a myth, i think companies should be able to do whatever they want, no matter how many people, animals, oceans and forests are destroyed." because, yeah, that's the alternative to those sneaky scientists and businessmen trying to profit off of keeping our shared planet clean and safe for future generations. Like · Reply · 2 · December 1 at 7:51pm Elena Kennedy Elena Kennedy ...you support global warming because you like warm weather?? What even is this nonsense? Like · Reply · 3 · December 1 at 8:23pm Christian Peterson Christian Peterson Don't feed the troll Like · Reply · December 1 at 8:54pm Garrett Troke Garrett Troke Too bad the OP didn't look at nationwide polling rather than just one, historically conservative, state. http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm Guns HomeUpPrioritiesAbortionBudget/TaxesCrimeDisastersEducationEnergyEnvironmentFoodForeign Affairs/DefenseHealth PolicyIllegal DrugsImmigrationLaw/Civil RightsRace and EthnicitySocial SecuritySpace pollingreport.com Like · Reply · December 1 at 8:55pm Garrett Troke Garrett Troke http://www.pollingreport.com/enviro.htm Environment HomeUpPrioritiesAbortionBudget/TaxesCrimeDisastersEducationEnergyFoodForeign Affairs/DefenseGunsHealth PolicyIllegal DrugsImmigrationLaw/Civil RightsRace and EthnicitySocial SecuritySpace pollingreport.com Like · Reply · 2 · December 1 at 8:55pm Scott Coletti Scott Coletti Should one be able to buy this gun with no ID? http://www.armslist.com/.../tucson-arizona-rifles-for... ARMSLIST - For Sale: AR 15 for sale - must go armslist.com Like · Reply · December 1 at 9:00pm Garrett Troke Garrett Troke I'm a progressive. I'm also a veteran. I am a huge advocate of reasonable, practical and responsible gun control. I love guns, but arguing that they are needed for "self-defense" in the face of overwhelming statistics to the contrary is ridiculous. The only real argument for wanting to have a gun is "I like guns. Guns are cool," which is fine. I agree wholeheartedly, but I also think that in the face of a near insurmountable gun violence problem in this country, that gun ownership and possession need to be better regulated. I think that owning a gun should require a license. Not one that is difficult to obtain, but one that would make background checks nearly instantaneous and require gun safety classes. I think that special licensing should be required for different classes of guns, like high capacity, magazine fed, military style rifles, automatic weapons and modified weapons. None of these proposals would keep a person that is already legally allowed to own a gun from owning one, but it would go a long way towards keeping them out of the hands of those that shouldn't have them. We should also have a nationwide voluntary buy-back program. The ones that have been done in America have been successful, but they were done on such a small scale that they were not very effective in means of the population as a whole. Like · Reply · 4 · December 1 at 9:29pm Carter Tamblyn Carter Tamblyn TL;DR Like · Reply · 1 · December 1 at 9:30pm Josh Payne Josh Payne Ya know I can find myself in the same boat on occasion.. I am too liberal for my conservative friends and I'm too conservative for my liberal friends. However I am a gun owner and anyone who thinks I shouldn't be can kiss my Navy, Concealed license holding ass. Be well my friend. Like · Reply · 2 · December 1 at 9:40pm · Edited Richard Atkinson Richard Atkinson At least if you're an atheist, you got one thing right. It looks like you got the rest wrong. That's why people "mock" you. Like · Reply · 2 · December 1 at 10:09pm Brandon Wiggert Brandon Wiggert Troll Like · Reply · December 1 at 10:40pm Jeff See Jeff See Or utterly confused/handicapped. Hard to tell on the 'net. Like · Reply · December 2 at 5:05am Mickey Jones Write a reply... Derek Blanchard Derek Blanchard Derek Blanchard's photo. Like · Reply · 2 · December 1 at 11:05pm Orland Carra replied · 1 Reply Jeffrey Jones Jeffrey Jones WTF? Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 1:41am Anthony B. Frazier Anthony B. Frazier Explain how your are skeptical on science of climate change but accept the science on evolution. When 99% of scientist agree that we are effecting climate change than I think it deserves paying attention to and not the 1% who have a financial interest in opposing it. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 7:45am Anthony B. Frazier Anthony B. Frazier As far as marijuana, as more states see the financial benefits to states who have legalized it, they will get on board with its legalization, medical and recreational. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 7:47am · Edited Mickey Jones Mickey Jones The reason to legalize marijuana is because the current laws are evil and draconian. Not because governments can make money off of it. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 9:39am George Yeager George Yeager lol "i love hot weather" just lol Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 1:09pm Mindy Kay Mindy Kay I'm liberal-ish and independent. I'm OK with guns, I'm a veteran and just think they need well monitored. But they are tools if used correctly. Global warming has a lot of scientific support, and it is complex, not just warmer weather. I like summer myself, but not the opposite drastic winter, or rising sea levels, or ozone depletion....we need need need the ozone! Like · Reply · December 2 at 2:01pm · Edited Dave Herd Dave Herd If you are an atheist people assume you know how to think logically. When you demonstrate otherwise, you will get called out. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 3:43pm https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheAClub/permalink/1012463028810677/ 2 people like this. Comments Scar-Bro Pete Scar-Bro Pete It's not your fault Democrats, on average, are more clever than the average guy. And it's climate change not global warming. Warming is only regional within the climate change model. Some regions will get colder. smile emoticon Like · Reply · 16 · December 1 at 6:40pm · Edited Daysi Domínguez Báez Daysi Domínguez Báez Democrats are more educated, better informed. Like · Reply · 11 · December 1 at 6:41pm Charlie Cassle Charlie Cassle There are no such thing as "gun grabbers." Like · Reply · 11 · December 1 at 6:42pm 1 Reply Linda Terrell Linda Terrell This is why I tell climate-change deniers to "watch the animals." When they move north, or further up hill and mountain sides, something is really happening. From Care2 and Audubon: "Birds Moving Further North as the Climate Changes "A growing body of research has been tracking the gradual but steady impact of climate change on birds. Using 40 years of citizen-science Christmas Bird Count data, the National Audubon Society has documented that more than half of the birds that winter in North America have shifted their ranges northward over the last 40 years in an effort to adapt to the changing climate. "Northward movement was detected among species of every type. These shifts – averaging 37 miles, with some more than 200 miles – are closely correlated to long-term winter temperature increases. As the world grows warmer, birds move north, seeking colder climes." Like · Reply · 8 · December 1 at 7:00pm Linda Terrell Linda Terrell And add starving seals as their food moves north. Puffins can't feed their young because their traditional food has moved north, and deeper. People, watch the animals. Like · Reply · 6 · December 1 at 7:01pm 1 Reply Cassie Schwartz Cassie Schwartz Bizarre post. Like · Reply · 21 · December 1 at 7:17pm Justin Gries Justin Gries Since when are facts subject to a poll? If you wanted to determine a correlation between a particular drug and a particular form of cancer, would you go to the people who do research on such things, or would you take a poll and go with the most popular response? To put it another way, if you were told that you had a serious disease by a medical professional, I'm assuming that you might get a 2nd, or even a 3rd opinion... from other medical professionals who could be considered to be knowledgeable about your condition. What I don't suppose that you would do is to say "Oh, I don't like the thing you just told me. Let me talk to my family and friends, as well as a bunch of people on the street and see what they have to say..." I have no idea how this climate change "debate" is even a thing. The overwhelming consensus in the scientific community, and particularly in the areas of scientific study that focus on this research, is that climate change is very real, and very much caused by human activity. Like · Reply · 13 · December 1 at 7:51pm · Edited 1 Reply James V. Rohrer II James V. Rohrer II Read both clauses of the 2nd amendment and strictly observe the dependence of the 2nd clause on the first...no one wants to take your guns...we just meed some sensible laws Like · Reply · 7 · December 1 at 7:58pm · Edited Summer Ward Summer Ward If you can pass training, a psych eval, & references, keep your gun... No one is "grabbing your guns". Some of us just don't think crazy people should have access to them, because you know, mass shootings constantly... Like · Reply · 11 · December 1 at 7:57pm Alan King Alan King I'm from Arizona, and I can tell you that my guns (that I don't own, but that's beside the point) are under no threat. As for many atheists being rough on Republicans, what exactly are they doing to bring us into their fold? The GOP is largely religious and anti-science, which doesn't work well with folks who like evidence for their beliefs and reject religious bullcrap. [[citationneeded]] for the scientists who are getting rich off the global warming debate to the exclusion of doing actual science. I still don't understand how folks can be "skeptical" (read: denialist) of something that is supported by the overwhelming majority of scientists who have dedicated their careers to studying it. Finally, weather != climate. Like · Reply · 6 · December 1 at 8:39pm Lester Bush Lester Bush I support gun control; by all means, use both hands if you have to. Like · Reply · December 1 at 8:42pm Tom McLachlin Tom McLachlin Climate change is not an issue which is decided by polling people on the streets. It is determined by monitoring the weather and ocean temperatures over an extended period of time. There is enough evidence, for the scientific community to agree that global warming is real, man made, and presents a threat to humanity. World leaders from all over the globe met in Paris this week to see what could be done. What do Republicans know that the rest of the world doesn't know: How to look foolish by ignoring blindingly obvious science... and that is why Republicans get laughed at. Like · Reply · 12 · December 1 at 8:45pm Rich Weiss Rich Weiss From "gun grabbing," whatever that means, to global warming. This topic is all over the place. No one is a gun grabber. Starting off with a strawman isn't going to hold anyone on topic here. Like · Reply · 10 · December 1 at 8:56pm Rich Weiss Rich Weiss My view on gun control: regulations to strengthen safety and weaken the possibility that a deranged madman can plaster movie goers full of bullet holes. Like · Reply · 5 · December 1 at 8:57pm Jara Gatti Jara Gatti Is this a joke? 100% of Christians believe in Jesus' divinity...does that make it true? Like · Reply · 5 · December 1 at 9:01pm Tom McLachlin Tom McLachlin LOL, No, the existence of any god and the divinity of any prophet including jesus is also not an issue settled by group consensus. Like · Reply · 2 · December 1 at 9:31pm Jara Gatti Jara Gatti So then why would anything else be decided by groups consensus? That's what your post is implying. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 5:18am Mickey Jones Write a reply... Lester Bush Lester Bush That's actually not true, Jara. I've found myself defending the divinity of Jesus when arguing with Christians. Lol. Like · Reply · 1 · December 1 at 9:02pm Tom McLachlin Tom McLachlin All Christian churches use some variant of the Nicene creed. To be a christian is to believe that Jesus was the son of god, born from the virgin mary, died, was resurrected, ascended to heaven, and will return again - (at a date to be determined) Peop...See More Like · Reply · 3 · December 1 at 9:22pm 1 Reply Danny Blaylock Danny Blaylock This is idiotic. I will wager that the Jones guy who authored the opening post cannot name ONE Democrat (much less 72% of them) who is guilty of having "grabbing" guns away from anyone. Like · Reply · 1 · December 1 at 10:29pm 2 Replies Scott Ward Scott Ward either troll or idiot Like · Reply · 1 · December 1 at 10:34pm Petra Wolford Petra Wolford Neither federal nor state (for example Arizona) laws mandate "grabbing" or confiscating anybody's guns- unless they are a convicted felon. Global warming is all about science- and that is where one can use the scientific method to conduct experiments to either accept or reject a null hypothesis. (Popular opinion polls are just a "snapshot" of opinions at one point in time...and are not scientifically valid.) Lastly, all groups "bad mouth" their opponents in an election year. That isn't news. Like · Reply · 2 · December 1 at 11:18pm Petra Wolford Petra Wolford P.S. Mickey Jones, it would be great if you came back and clarified your point(s) that you were trying to make, and addressed some of the challenges presented to your arguments in this thread. Don't be scared to debate. It would be good to involve some science as well. Like · Reply · 2 · December 1 at 11:21pm Susan Haywood Susan Haywood I've never treated anyone like shit for owning a gun. However, if you tell me your an atheist, and you prove to be a science denier, you won't feel good after talking to me. And saying you support global warming because you like hot weather belies an ignorance I have an impossible time accepting from someone who fancies himself a rational thinker. And yes, I hold those who make such claims to a higher standard Like · Reply · 5 · December 2 at 12:09am Lauren Eve Pomerantz Lauren Eve Pomerantz You are honestly everything that is wrong with Libertarianism. You wouldn't mind global warming because you like hot weather. You wouldn't mind hundreds of thousands of people who live on low lying islands in the South Pacific being displaced because of sea level rises, because you like hot weather. You wouldn't mind the extinction of tens of thousands of species, including possibly megafauna like polar bears, because you like hot weather. You don't care if millions of people living near the equator suffer temperatures in excess of 120°F, or the global conflicts that might result from their mass migration to temperate regions (Syria x 1000), because you like hot weather. You don't worry about the effects of rising food prices on the poor as agricultural regions like California suffer years of drought, because you like hot weather. You have no concern for the possibility of plagues of insect-borne diseases caused by insects hatching out of season with their natural predators, because you like hot weather. You think that global warming is a hoax, which is only possible if you haven't done any research. (Look up measures of atmospheric carbon dioxide. The graphs are terrifying.) You don't know the evidence in support of it or the myriad problems that will arise because of it. You just like hot weather. Like · Reply · 4 · December 2 at 5:00am Mickey Jones Mickey Jones Yea, I hear the same krap from people that believe in GOD. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 9:20am Glen M. Kern Glen M. Kern Lauren.......that was awesome. Like · Reply · December 2 at 10:23am Mickey Jones Write a reply... Caleb Ryan Jones Caleb Ryan Jones TL:DR Like · Reply · December 2 at 6:06am Nadine Meadows Nadine Meadows I doubt any study that used the term "gun grabbers" means anything at all, or is a serious one. First of all, being pro-gun regulation doesn't equate to "gun grabbing". Secondly, live in a Alaska for a long while and you will see climate change with your own eyes. I live in the Interior. Our University is studying climate change here. We are in the middle of a change over from a boreal forest to a deciduous forest. The glaciers are melting all over the place. You can see where they were 40 years ago, and have to walk miles to reach their front wall now. Other gone entirely. I had to point this out to some dipshidiots from the lower 48 who thought that becuase Meare's glacier was growing that it was proof climate change was a lie. Ugh...., just ugh...... Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 6:23am Christian Alan Lundberg Christian Alan Lundberg And this is further proof that becoming an Atheist doesn't make you smart. You're just as prone to believing foolishness as any other theist once you abandon all reason. Like · Reply · 5 · December 2 at 6:40am · Edited Patricia Sebella Patricia Sebella Libertarians are morons. Like · Reply · December 2 at 7:15am Kelly Horgan Kelly Horgan You have got to be kidding. Like · Reply · December 2 at 8:39am https://www.facebook.com/groups/244017548962954/permalink/1073247549373279/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/546868008711140/permalink/1017005665030703/ Ed Andrews likes this. Comments Ed Andrews Ed Andrews Mickey, like you I am a libertarian, though more of an agnostic Christian than an atheist.... and like you, I see a lot of people on this group and others who claim to be just atheists, but really sound and talk more like Christian hating bigots than they sound like "free thinkers".... And on the global warming issue, I am a pretty firm believer in global warming and climate change, I am just skeptical that the cause is entirely or even mostly a man-made one.... I used to lean much more strongly toward the AGW side, before ClimateGate came out.... I actually downloaded the data dump and read through much of it myself, and that alone has totally destroyed much of the credibility I used to place in our so-called "scientific" community.... Like you, I think they are people willing to bend science just to suit their agenda, whether it really is a noble intent to save the planet or just to further their own careers and ambitions, most often a blend of the two to one degree or another..... Like · Reply · December 1 at 8:33pm Elena Ballesteros Elena Ballesteros Let's say global warming is a hoax and scientists are only pushing it for profit... The end result is the earth gets better. How is this a bad thing exactly? Like · Reply · 1 · December 1 at 11:18pm Mickey Jones Mickey Jones Well if you think "global warming" is a problem, then spend your own money on it. Don't use the government to steal my money to solve your problem. Like · Reply · December 2 at 9:22am Mike Harris Mike Harris Well Mikey, why don't just move to one of the thousands of places in the world that has no government at all. That way you won't have to pay any taxes. Like · Reply · 1 · December 3 at 1:25pm Elena Ballesteros Elena Ballesteros Lol wouldn't it be great if we could pick and choose where our tax money is spent? I certainly didn't want mine to go towards two unnecessary wars, but that's how it works. I would much rather our taxes go towards something that benefits all and not just some, like the fight against global warming, but that's just me and my desire to help other people. Like · Reply · 1 · December 3 at 1:29pm Mike Harris Mike Harris You laugh Elena but I'm actually serious. It's tiresome to listen to libertarians whine about how the govt. is picking on them, as they use all the benefits govt. provides. I mean seriously, if you think govt. is causing you trouble, why not move to a place that doesn't have one? Libertarianism is really not a political theory, or even a theory at all. It's a religion and as such it needs no supporting evidence. Like · Reply · 1 · December 3 at 1:55pm Mickey Jones Write a reply... Ed Andrews Ed Andrews Well, this is a bad thing because of a couple of reasons.... one, there is every possibility that the earth will not get better and is doing whatever it is going to do, regardless of how many resources are thrown that way. If this is actually the case, those resources and research would be much better spent trying to figure out how to deal with the changes, rather than trying desparately to stop something we can't prevent and have nothing to do with.... Secondly, all the money being spent/wasted could be used elsewhere, like giving our schoolteachers raises, fixing our roads and bridges, health care for the elderly, all day kindergarten, etc... Like · Reply · December 1 at 11:28pm Elena Ballesteros Elena Ballesteros But who determines that? Scientists, right? The very ones who say that we should be trying to fix global warming right now. So say we start taking better care of the earth, and global warming doesn't go away. That's when we try to find another solution. Isn't that what the scientific method is all about? Are you suggesting we just don't do anything and focus on other things instead? Like · Reply · 2 · December 1 at 11:56pm Ed Andrews replied · 1 Reply Ursula Jean Kolb Ursula Jean Kolb Recent studies indicate the Antartic ice sheets are growing not melting. Micheal Chriton wrote a great book about climate and global warming called "State of Fear". A very good read. I too am sceptical of global warming but I support climate responsibi...See More Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 12:37am Ed Andrews Ed Andrews Agree with most of your post here, we do need to take steps to protect our environment, take responsibility.... but we need to do so in an informed, measured way. Now with that said, we also need to educate our children, provide healthcare for our nee...See More Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 8:27am Mickey Jones Write a reply... Mike Harris Mike Harris There is simply no doubt that global warming is real, human caused, and serious. Here's a quote by the scientists who discovered that *some* areas of the arctic, as measured very inexactly by satellite altimeters, are growing rather than shrinking: "We're essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica," said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology. "Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica - there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas." This is a tiny detail of arcane science that climate skeptics pick at to try to confuse the public into believing reasonable doubt still exists among scientists. (Another one is the theory of sun spots causing temperature rise - that's also a biggie among climate skeptics even though the originator of that theory has now completely disavowed it.) None of these often promoted alternate theories are believed by the experts that actually study this stuff. James Hanson, former head of NASA has climate models that have very accurately predicted global temperature rise over the last two decades. There is far more proof for global climate change than many other generally well accepted scientific theories such as the existence of the Higgs Boson, planets in other solar systems, drug efficacy, nutrition, or a million other things I could name. One would think that any analysis that concludes that climate scientists have somehow colluded in search of research dollars to devious ends would conclude the same about all other scientific research, since the process in all scientific fields is virtually identical. The difference of course is its industry that has a motivation to sow doubt among the public for the case of climate change, and certainly not the relatively poor research scientists that are basically just doing their jobs. I am amused that anyone using a "follow the money" approach would conclude, absolutely without any evidence of which I'm aware, that it must be the scientists that are lying! And I would add, its a pretty hypocritical view if your like most people and rely on scientists to build your toys (that cell phone in your hand didn't materialize out of thin air!) and treat you when you're sick. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 9:06am Mike Harris Mike Harris Oh and Mickey, since you appear to be looking for some explanation from this group on athiest democrats "treat you like shit", first I hope that isn't true. I haven't seen any of that in this group, so I hope you're referring to other venues. On the other hand I have seen *you* post intentional hyperbole such as that "democrats are gun grabbers", even though I've seen no evidence that democrats have grabbed a single gun. Like · Reply · 1 · December 2 at 9:14am Mickey Jones Mickey Jones I didn't mention the two groups by name to protect the guilty. Like · Reply · December 2 at 9:24am