Link to Facebook URL
Here is the link to this dicussion on Facebook.Background information
Prop 203
The good thing about Prop 203 which is the Arizona Medical Marijuana Act is that it legalized medical marijuana in Arizona to some extent.The bad news about Prop 203 is many people think that Andrew Myers, NORML and MPP or Marijuana Policy Project wrote it it to give themselves a govenrment monopoly on growing and selling medical marijuana so they can get rich selling it to the rest of us at $300+ an ounce rip off prices.
I don't have proof of that, but there sure is a lot of evidence that makes it look that way.
Andrew Myers
I am not sure of all the details, but many people say Andrew Myers wrote Prop 203, or that Andrew Myers was the manager of the team that wrote Prop 203.Also some people say that Andrew Myers came from MPP or Marijuana Policy Project. Or perhaps that MPP was involved in writing Prop 203.
Kathy Inman
And last I understand that Phoenix NORML which was run by Kathy Inman was also involved in writing Prop 203. I am not sure of the nitty gritty details on that.Andrew Myers is Kathy Inman's son in law
Now Andrew Myers is Kathy Inman's son in law. Kathy's daughter married him and the last thing I heard was that they well living in Tucson.And of course Dave Inman is married to Kathy Inman and I think Dave Inman is Andrew Myers son in law too.
Andrew Myers and the Arizona Dispensary Association
Andrew Myers spoke at the July 2014 Phoenix NORML meeting or maybe the Arizona NORML meeting. I am not sure which it was or if it wasn't both Phoenix NORML and Arizona NORML.At the July 2014 NORML meeting in Phoenix we discovered that Andrew Myers was also a big wig in the Arizona Dispensary Association. I think they said he was the president of it or maybe the CEO of it.
Andrew Myers doesn't want to let people grow recreationa marijuana???
At that NORML meeting Andrew Myers seemed to be against allowing people to grow marijuana for recreational purposes if marijuana is legalized in Arizona.Andrew Myers seemed to say he didn't think that the people of Arizona would vote to legalized marijuana if common citizens were allowed to grow it.
Many people, including myself think that because Andrew Myers seems to have a financial interest in keeping marijuana illegal to grow because it will allow him to get richer if we can't grow our own marijuana and have to buy it from the dispensaries that are members of Arizona Dispensary Association.
Now that's not fact, but specialization on my part. And I think a lot of other people also feel that way.
A discussion between with David Inman
David Inman is the husband of Kathy Inman. Kathy Inman ran Phoenix NORML for years. Kathy Inman is also the mother in law of Andrew Myers. I think David Inman is the father in law of Andrew Myers.Here is a discussion on Facebook between Mickey Jones and David Inman about Prop 203 which is Arizona's Medical Marijuana Act
The Discussion
January 14 at 5:37pm
What are the criminal penalties for when a medical marijuana patient illegally smokes their legal marijuana in public?Are there criminals penalties? Or is this a civil crime?
Is this an Arizona crime? Or a crime in the city of county where the smoking occurred?
January 14 at 5:55pm
Potentially lose your card and all of the protection it affords you.
January 14 at 5:58pm
What part of the law says that?
January 14 at 6:11pm
Dunno what sub section or paragraph. But it does say your not supposed to medicate in public, it also says if you break the rules you can lose your card. In all fairness I have not heard of this happening but it certainly can
January 14 at 6:14pm
I am just trying to get a firm answer. You seemed to say it COULD be a felony. Another person said it is a FELONY and cited ARS 36-2802.
January 14 at 6:14pm
Is a felony
January 14 at 6:16pm
I think that person is right - Here is a link -
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp...
Format Document This chapter does not authorize any person to engage in, and does not prevent the imposition of any civil,...
azleg.gov
January 14 at 6:18pm
Like i said it is a felony, just depends if the officer wants to take the person down that road. to my knowledge it hasnt happened yet
January 14 at 6:19pm
Here is what A.R.S. 36-2802 says:This chapter does not authorize any person to engage in, and does not prevent the imposition of any civil, criminal or other penalties for engaging in, the following conduct:
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C. Smoking marijuana:
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2. In any public place.
January 14 at 6:21pm
I guess the next question is do current laws make smoking marijuana in public places by a medical marijuana patient a felony. Or does that required the state to pass new laws? And I mean that mostly as a question, not a statement.
January 14 at 6:39pm
Kinda the same question
23 hrs
So it sounds like that is another major f*ck up in Prop 203!!! Patients can be arrested for a felony simply for smoking marijuana in a public place. Ever time I think about Prop 203 and Andrew Myers it makes me angry.
23 hrs
I would disagree, you cant smoke cigarettes in many public spaces, nor can one sit on a corner and consume alcohol. Why should it be different for cannabis?
18 hrs
It's not a felony to smoke cigarettes in a non-smoking area. Nor is it a felony to drink in public. Both are misdemeanors. On top of that marijuana is absolutely harmless compared to tobacco or liquor. Worldwide 6 million people die every year from the medical side effects of tobacco. Worldwide 2.5 million people die every year from the medical side effects of drinking liquor. And a whopping ZERO people die every year from the medical side effects of using marijuana. It was a slap in the face to every marijuana smoker who was counting on NORML to remove the draconian penalties for marijuana use to find out that the people who wrote Prop 203 allow medical marijuana patients to be arrested for a felony if they smoke marijuana in public.
17 hrs
Dave Inman - Why should it be different for cannabis?Because we want to end the draconian laws on marijuana which have turned America into the worlds largest police state.
Because it doesn't hurt anybody to smoke marijuana in public. It's a victimless crime.
Because it doesn't hurt anybody to drink in public. It's a victimless crime.
Because it doesn't hurt anybody to smoke tobacco in public. It's a victimless crime.
And because we though NORML , MPP (Marijuana Policy Project) and Andrew Myers were representing the people who want to end the repression caused by the draconian laws against marijuana. Not the special interest groups that want to create a monopoly on growing and selling marijuana for themselves so they can get rich selling it to the rest of us at $300+ an ounce prices.
I do have a problems with inconsiderate tobacco smokers who blow their stinking tobacco smoke all over people. That's wrong. But it doesn't mean it should be illegal to smoke tobacco in public. It means tobacco smokers should be considerate and not blow their smoke on people who don't like it.
The same should be true for smoking marijuana in public. Pot smokers should be considerate and not blow their smoke on people who don't like it. But making it a felony to smoke marijuana in public is outrageous.
16 hrs
I don't disagree that it "should" be, but bare in mind that we have 70+ years of brainwashing to overcome. 203 was a "medical" bill, not a party bill. Why would there ever be a provision put in place to smoke in public? do you see any other prescription that feels the need to express that? again I am not disagreeing with you simply attempting to contextualize.
15 hrs
Why not. You can take your other legal drugs in public??? You can use asthma inhalers in public. Whey shouldn't a medical marijuana patient be able to use there marijuana in public. Of course the real question is why did the folks that wrote Prop 203 make it a FELONY to use medical marijuana in public? They were supposed to be looking out for the interests of PATIENTS. Of course a lot of people think Andrew Myers wrote Prop 203 to make himself and his buddies rich hoping to give himself a govenrment monopoly on growing and selling marijuana so he could sell it to the rest of us at $300+ and ounce rip off prices. Maybe that's why he made it a felony for a medical marijuana patient to smoke medical marijuana in public? I don't know I wasn't there.
15 hrs
Also many people said that medical marijuana was going to be the gateway to legalize recreational marijuana. I was certainly hoping for that. If that is true why on earth make it a FELONY for a medical marijuana patient to smoke their medical marijuana in public. If Andrew Myers was going to make medical marijuana a gateway to legalized recreational marijuana he certainly should have made it a petty civil offense for a medical marijuana patient to smoke their pot in public. But again many people think that Andrew Myers wasn't looking out for the marijuana community and was hoping to write Prop 203 to make himself rich by selling medical marijuana to the rest of us at $300+ an ounce prices. I don't know if that is true, but certainly a lot of people seem to think it is. Also there seems to be a lot of evidence to say the Prop 203 gives a govenrment monopoly on growing and selling marijuana to the medical marijuana dispensaries. And oddly last time I checked Andrew Myers was head of the Arizona Dispensary Association and at the July 2014 NORML meeting seemed to be against giving the public the right to grow recreational marijuana.
15 hrs
I talked to Sgt Thiry #5149 on Thursday, January 15, 2015 at about 3:30 p.m. at the Phoenix Police.The Phoenix Police have a number you can call to ask questions. It is (602)262-7626 and you select option #5 on the menu when you call.
Sgt Thiry told me that if a medical marijuana patient is caught smoking medical marijuana in public they are no longer covered by the Arizona Medical Marijuana Act or AMA and they will be charged with a class 6 felony.
She said that felony is typically plea bargained down to a misdemeanor.
She didn't know the number of the law in the Arizona Revised Statutes but I think it is ARS 13-3405 which makes it illegal to possess or use marijuana.
If that's true it looks like the people that wrote Prop 203 threw the rights of medical marijuana patients under the bus.
That law says:
13-3405. Possession, use, production, sale or transportation of marijuana; classification
A. A person shall not knowingly:
1. Possess or use marijuana.
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15 hrs
It has been a felony since Gov.Evan Mecham made it a felony in the 80's, Andrew doesn't have the power you think he has. Further more rescue inhalers are simply not even in the same ball park. Nor will you ever see dozens of people all huddled together to get their valtrax on... My question for you are these two... Do you have a medical card and if so have you ever had to flash it to a cop?
14 hrs
Andrew had the power to put in the law a statement that said medical marijuana patients could not be charged with a crime. But he didn't.
14 hrs
It is STUPID to flash a medical marijuana card to a cop. I am sure you know the the police have been arresting people for DUI if they have a medical marijuana card despite the fact that Prop 203 says they can't be busted for DUI simply because they have marijuana metabolites in there system.
14 hrs
Last simple marijuana possession has been a felony long before Governor Ev Mecham signed that law into effect.Yes, the law Mecham signed did made simple possession of marijuana a felony.
But in the law it replaced simple possession of marijuana was already a felony.
That law Ev Mecham signed was pretty much a clone of the law it replaced. The major exception was that it increased the penalties for possession of marijuana.
I researched the law and made a post on Facebook about it.
For all my life simple marijuana possession has been a felony and I knew Ev Mecham didn't make it a felony.
Which is why I researched the law.
Dennis wasn't wrong when he said Ev Mecham signed a law that made simple possession of marijuana a felony. Mecham did.
I suspect Dennis just didn't know that it was a felony before Mecham signed that law.
14 hrs
Also remember despite medical marijuana being legal in Arizona it still is felony under federal law. And I am sure that any defense lawyer will tell you to never admit you have one. Especially on a place like Facebook where the entire plant can see what you say including all the police that routinely read this stuff. So I will take the 5th and refuse to answer that question.
14 hrs
I suspect Andrew Myers had the power NOT to put the hated 25 mile limit in Prop 203. But it was included in Prop 203 so I suspect Andrew Myers didn't have a problem with the 25 mile limit. And again that is one of the reasons many people think Andrew Myers wrote Prop 203 hoping to get rich selling the rest of us over priced $300+ and ounce medical marijuana.
14 hrs
Do you know who I am?
14 hrs
Yes, I know who you are your Kathy's husband. But I am not going to sugar coat my thoughts because you are Andrew Myers father in law or whatever the correct name is.
14 hrs
The point I am making is that I don't need to "remember" I didn't forget. Nor am I going to "sugar coat" how misinformed and uneducated your posts are. My advice take a nice remedial civics/social studies course. If you truly want change you need to understand the game.
What I think we need to do is dump the folks at NORML and MPP who claim to want to re-legalize marijuana and get some people who are interesting in re-legalizing drugs because the war on drugs is morally wrong. Not a bunch of people who seem to want to legalize marijuana so they can give themselves a government monopoly on growing and selling marijuana to the rest of us at inflated black market prices and make themselves rich. I don't know if that it what the Andrew Myers, NORML and MPP are doing but there sure is a lot of smoke that makes it look that way.